Autodelta Sprint 6C

Does someone have tecnical info about the Autodelta Sprint 6C?
I have found web sites with pic´s but none with mecanical info ex what type of gearbox they used. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]
I have some plans to build a Sprint with a mid mounted Alfa V6 engine and I need to know more about the real Sprint 6C first.
Can someone help me with this?

/Jocke from Sweden
http://db.alfaromeo.org/faq/images/95-26 http://db.alfaromeo.org/faq/images/95-29 [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Cool! Me wants....!


P.S. You're nuts if you gonna try it (but you probably already know that.) Good luck.

AS far as I know the sprint 6c was only a mock up. I read that it was never fitted with an engine or transmission. I you are going to build a replica then a 164 v6 engine and gearbox is the way to go. This combination is what most of the Lancia Stratos replicas use.

A 3.0L 24v with GTV or 75 axel would keep it in line with Alfa's design.

As for info I can only recommend http://home.t-online.de/home/Rauen/asme.htm

Not much info though.. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Good luck & please keep a record of the work you do & come back & let us know how you get on. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/cwm29.gif[/img]

Go for a late 3.0 24V from a GTv or 166 as they have cable operated gearbox, much much easier!

I't would be great if you could pull it off!

The boxer engine sounds great but the V6 even better!!!

Just make giocattolo, much easier and more powerfull. And if you want information go to http://www.twinturbov8.com

Ok maybe not any easier, but you could get the parts more easily (if your in australia or america). The commodore engine is just a chevy I think.

Also when you do it make sure you have a good floorpan otherwise you will get cracks when you floor it and it will not be fun to see the car do a nose dive into the road. [img]smilies/kaioken.gif[/img]

I've often thought of doing the same thing with a V6 Sprint or maybe another Alfa engine mid mounted - mid mounted 16v boxer might be interesting too (already has a transaxle).

Being a bit of a purist, I would tend to go for longitudinally mounting the engine rather than transverse mounting (Ferrari 288 GTO/F40 style rather than original Ferrari 308/328GTB). There should be room with the short V6 unit and this would give better weight distribution (lower and more central in chassis).

Maybe someone could build a adaptor to directly connect the v6 engine to an Alfa Transaxle - as found on Alfetta, Alfa 75, 90 etc.

I understand the Giocattolo used a ZF transaxle and the original Giocattolo prototype(s) were using longitudinally mounted 2.5L V6 from a GTV6.

Some details can be found here.... http://www.TwinTurboV8.com/gioarticles.htm

Stick to the Alfa engines, Mr twinturbo v8 forgets to say that one was stuck inot a brick wall at 285 KPh, Ouch, they are seriously quick with a 1.7 Qv engine in them,

Stick with the V6 sounds moist!!!!!!!!!!!!

You dickhead, the guy that made the TwinTurboV8 site is the guy that died. I thought that you would have seen the arbituary on the site and figured it out.

The Giocattolo he had was also modified to accept far more recent Holden engine, that he had pulled out of his ute (pick up). This new engine had far more horse power than the original Giocattolo engine.

The Giocattolo is not some kind of death trap anyway. It is just a very well designed mid-engined Sprint.

The Giocattolo was just a carry on of the idea of the 6C when Alfa Romeo gave up on the 6C idea becuase they were not pulling the dosh back then. The Giocattolo was originally going to have the GTV v6 engine in it but Alfa Romeo suddenly decided that they would not supply it. So the people who made the car had to get a different engine.

But like I said before make sure that your Sprint is up to the power before you give it the power. Even upgrading from 1.5 to 1.7 engine in a Sprint can cause problems if you do not have a good body to start with. If you stress it too much cracks will start to appear in the engine bay. [img]smilies/kaioken.gif[/img]

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Thanks everyone.

The engine I gonna use is a 2,5 V6 from a Alfetta Gtv, and I want to mount it in line.
The gearbox must look like the sud gearbox in size. (The distance from the diff and engine) Someone here in Sweden told me that I can use a Renault 30Ts gearbox. I still dont know if that is possible...
A Alfetta transaxle is just to big (long) to fitt.
If some one have a better sugestion please let me know.

Well good luck with your project and i wish you well,

Is much as i hate to say this our insultive friend suggesting to look at the giattocotolo mightn't be a bad idea, just don't go as far as our Aussie buddy wen't with a holden V8 (totally wrong in an ALFA)
As far as i believe Tom Wilkinshaw orginally built those things, with a small v8 and about 185KW.
The place who actually ended up building it was a place in Sydney called Silverwater Automotive Services ( a well renowned performance workshop). Also the is another place who i have been told is looking to reconstruct a sprint 6c in sydney and i think they are called Auto Sprint performance center they are in the surburb of bankstown but they have done may various ALFA conversions,

See if you can talk to either people they may be of help to you
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Originally Posted by Joakim Aineland

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Thanks everyone.

The engine I gonna use is a 2,5 V6 from a Alfetta Gtv, and I want to mount it in line.
The gearbox must look like the sud gearbox in size. (The distance from the diff and engine) Someone here in Sweden told me that I can use a Renault 30Ts gearbox. I still dont know if that is possible...
A Alfetta transaxle is just to big (long) to fitt.
If some one have a better sugestion please let me know.

Hi Joakim
I've recently joined the AO and have a Sprint 1.7 which is "in process" but I am fascinated by the Sprint 6c and came across this thread - did you actually build it with the V6?
Best regards
Philip

Originally Posted by southern75

.. insultive friend

Mate, you're simply a nasty piece of work who clearly knows d ick about the Giocattolo... the much loved gentleman died - pull your f ucking head in and pay some respect. I know little about the incident (no more than any other web browser), but the track and organisers seem just as culpable to me.. but then i wouldn't want to shoot my mouth off about something I know d ick about.

The Giocattolo is a brilliant piece of kit, and a worthy succesor to the 6C.

There's a fella in NZ building a 164 version on the alfaBB site if your interested.

Originally Posted by Joakim Aineland

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Thanks everyone.

The engine I gonna use is a 2,5 V6 from a Alfetta Gtv, and I want to mount it in line.
The gearbox must look like the sud gearbox in size. (The distance from the diff and engine) Someone here in Sweden told me that I can use a Renault 30Ts gearbox. I still dont know if that is possible...
A Alfetta transaxle is just to big (long) to fitt.
If some one have a better sugestion please let me know.

Pretty sure that as the renault gearbox has been used in so many kit cars that an adapter plate is already out there, it takes the power of a rover V8 in many of the gt40 replicars so should be fine with a v6 alfa. Easy way to do it is to get the whole rear suspension / frame from a kit car that uses this set up already - bit of research sure you could find the right one - or an abandoned progect ready to have an angle grinder taken to it...
Other transaxles worth considering are the Audi ones again fine with the power, plenty out there just need an adapter plate and think that the rear suspension parts off the 924/944 would fit to give a good back end as some of them use an audi box at the back.
One thought on the body flexing is to use a intergrated roll cage / tubular engine suspension mount set up.
One question, if you are going to all the effort why not use the 24v 3.2 V6 and have a real bad boy?
Good luck with it all, keep us posted for the next few years !
Regards
James

Lads, this thread was dead 5 years ago, get a grip

Hi Ghostie
I know the thread is old but I am very interested in finding out what has happened since and I would really like to use a 3 or 3.2 litre Alfa V6 in a suitable Sprint (ie rusted out rear end, clapped engine). I have built and drag raced a variety of cars and have a reasonable idea about what is involved - so watch this space!
Best wishes
Philip

I am watching.


sounds like a project !